no art is necessary objectively, people will just make stuff because they like it, for the sake of itself. it can be subjectively necessary, as in one finds it valuable, but it doesn't have greater importance if people dont think it does. in general it's just people tending to their desires. I guess NSFW art tends to basic sexual desires, and it has a place in the platform. something can be said for the communities that consume the content, but at that point its not talking about the art anymore really. for NG specifically it can be rated as adult, so people can ignore it completely if they want to. so I really dont see any problem with it, it's the best way you can go about it IMO
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That's an interesting way to put it. I guess everyone has a different approach in art weather it's making or comsuming it. I can't possibly claim what art objectively should be, because then it would just be unfair to everyone else. As funny as this sounds, one's comsumption of art is an art form in itself since that person's interpretation is subjective (unless what the art points out is a fact). Even playing the gimmick game and gaining as much traction as possible (in whatever way works best) counts as art since the artistic intent is... well... gaining the traction (as much as I don't like that fact).
@MimpTableToss maybe you are looking at this too clinically. like all artists, porn artists begin with drawing stuff that they find appealing, and not to gain traction. yes, porn easily gains more traction than other art, but that doesn't make the creator someone that is just using a gimmick. they are drawing (I hope) for the love of the art, especially if you consider that porn artists can put as much effort and time in the craft as a non-porn artists. hope this helps
Sometimes people make stuff just because it’s fun to.
Ngl, Gooners only go on Newgrounds to masturbate over low quality 3D Porn, and I hate that NSFW videos on this site get more views then regular animations.
Yeah lol. It is what it is I guess... There are various kinds of porn "gooners" will exclusively come to this site for. And I also feel it's unfortunate that a 5 second animation of anything lewd (no matter the quality) is more likely to get more attention than a 10 minute legitimate SFW project (just check the movies, games, and art on the main page with the "A" rating open and you'll see what kind of stuff is always at the top).
I believe it has a lot to do with primal instinct to procreate, tabooness, and fulfilling fantasies and desires that are hard to fulfill in reality (could also just be addiction. Lets be honest).
My personal pet peeve isn't just the kind of porn artists make that's tasteless, gimmicky, and objectifying. It's also the kind of audience that consumes it. The kind that will value sex over literally everything else as if it's all this site and life has to offer them.
I know I can't control their lives (they're adults with their own choices). I just don't view "art" that way. I mean, sex is cool (don't get me wrong), but so are tons of other high quality things artists work REALLY hard on that so happens to not be NSFW.
My approach to anything (including NSFW content) is acknowledging the artistry itself as well as the creativity, imagination, visual messaging, design and composition, execution, fundamental skills, unique styling, "how" and "why" over just "what", ethics, etc. I don't want to be the kind of person that judges everything solely on sexual arousal.
@MimpTableToss The thing is, there is technically more porn on Newgrounds then there is Clock Crew animations
Clock Crew? I've always just seen it on the main page from time to time but never really understood what it was. I guess I'll look into that later.
Considering this is a site with the slogan "Everything By Everone", there's garanteed going to be a community dedicated to NSFW erotica. Not much we could do other than have opinions on it (besides adjusting the E, T, M, A ratings). My main problem, is people only using their genitals to critique stuff instead of actually thinking critically (like beyond what's on the surface). At least that's how I like to critique anything.
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Besides your moral grandstanding; Supply and demand first off. Second off, porn that does focus on the writing and characters exist; it's just not as popular or very few artist can pull off a good balance.
Art is done for the love of the craft, the passion; many people here flock to a platform that let's artist flourish without a silly social credit system (looking at you Reddit).
Which has me wondering; why would you go to a platform that has a bunch of porn? That's like me going to a farm and being shocked it has animals on said farm.
Even then you could engage with artist like Diives, Deprexion, SOFTSHIKIONI, etc. in terms of engagement with their writing of the porn and other details.
Or you know; you could just read some manga instead.
I would understand these issues like Twitter and other spaces had it not been for the fact; you actively choose to engage with said content and spaces on here. It's like a moth to a flame I supposed.
Yeah, that's a fair point, hehehe. I guess I'm just trying to find more tasteful NSFW content. It's not really the mere explicit sexuality I have a problem with, but more so HOW and WHY it's represented as well as "certain" audiances that consume it. I will admit, I do have a sence of moral grandstanding and I'll aim to be more open with other's views. I kind of started this thread for that very reason.
I LOVE Kerzid's "The Coarse Curse" for the very reason that the characters actually have complex depth, feelings/emotions, personalities, destinctions, etc. They each have their own stories, and their dynamics and relationships are brutally realistic. The artist gives each character a unique anotomic and aesthetic design to represent who each of them are. None of that busty clone nonsence. Just appropriate, non-objectifying beauty standards.
Sure, It's a satire of NSFW comics, and that's why it's my favourite adult comic. It's self aware and gives the audiance a reality check from time to time. The artist treats the characters like they're actual people and not just soulless sex props. I tend to be very critical in that sense.
You mentioned Diives and Derpixon, and those are also pretty solid examples of NSFW creators that give you lots of other aspects to appreiciate than just the sex itself. Heck, even speedo and LewdFroggo are fair examples. It's not everything they make that I like, but at least there's something to like from each of them. When there's absolutely nothing that I like in a creator's catalog, only dislike to a strong degree, that's when I get harsh (with the intent to provoke thought and start conversation).
Here on Newgrounds, all artists are free to create anything they please and I should know what to expect (obviously). I just have my opinions is all. Supply and demand makes sense, but when that's more prioritized than the art itself, it can get messy imo. I don't know. Balance with pleasing both yourself and your audience I feel is the best approach.
I continue exploring in hopes that I find a progressive and tasteful NSFW project. It's tough to find that in the mainstream, but I still have some hope of finding that grain of sand in the wind...
Yatsufusa
I think you should add line breaks if you want people to read all that.
If your question can be summarized as "Why do people like NSFW?", you should try Wikipedia for answers.
MimpTableToss
Yeah, I was thinking I should maybe add gaps to divide areas so it's more readable. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll also do some of my own research. Any opinions would be nice...